Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Originally by: Zachstar

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Folks please remain calm and wait for CCP to say something first.

A) We know their biz department has not exactly done good for the company's image lately. I suspect in my opinion this may be a continuation of it and possibly employment termination is on the horizon again in my opinion.

B) For those of us who keep up with tech. BS "Leaks" are as common as stars in the sky. Don't post defamation based on a document that could be suspect.

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You don't seem to understand: CCP Soundwave is THE EVE LEAD GAME DESIGNER appointed and appraised at fanfest by Hilmar. This is not a slip, this is where EVE will go, end of story.

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Originally by: Thaylon Sen

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Well, if that's where EVE is going, count me out.

I've played EVE since beta, and followed CCP as it's grown as a company. If that document is the real deal, coupled with macro-transactions, then the CCP I 'grew up' with is no more.

Reynir Har=arson, ¦orolfur Beck and -var Kristjßnsson, is this the game you envisioned while you were playing Ultima? When did you give up on careing?

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Full unedited version from CCP

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Full unedited version from CCP

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Can you summarise what is in this verison that was edited out?

Good, bad, ugly? Key points?

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Hesperius

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BUT, that is CCP Soundwave talking liberally in a company news letter. Even the way it is structured, it sounds like he has some fighting internally to do to even get to bring it in front of us. I really don't care what they do with dust and wod, and outside of showing their hand of viewing us as numbers they can use and abuse more than customers, there is nothing that revealing in that document.

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The only thing that it reveals - to me - is that CCP's focus has shifted from making a game (as small "indie" game companies tend to do) to making money through any possible means. The rushing out of CQ so that they can **** out a half finished MT store sooner really just underscores the point.

/shrug

-Liang

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Originally by: Republica Winder

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Originally by: Bologna Brains

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CCP hasnt denied it in 10 pages, and something like this, if easily fake, would be denied by CCP quickly.

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They can't deny it because it's true.

This document honestly indicates that there are serious INTERNAL problems at CCP. It reads like a sales brochure that is trying to sell their own employees on this "bold new direction" into killing the sandbox of EVE by placing tollbooths everywhere an eye can see.

I think that it was written because there is a lot of dissension in the ranks, much as we found out later there was on the Star Wars Galaxies Dev team when SOE ordered them to ditch the sandbox and do the NGE.

Just as happened then, with SOE, I expect this "bold new direction" is going to cause a brain drain at CCP. Their top talent is going to leave as quickly as they can get new jobs. And why not, they have people who could work for anyone, who could probably command much higher salaries working for other publishers, some of the best talent THERE IS, who probably stayed on that frigid little island because they loved their job, and EVE and CCP were different from everyone else, cooler than everyone else.

Now CCP is just another publisher looking to suck the maximum amount of cash out of their customer's wallets for a minimal amount of effort. Everything that made CCP respectable is now gone, perhaps irreparably.

Indeed, DEFINITELY irreparably. They saw our reaction when all this was proposed. They ignored us. They see our reactions now. $60 for monocle? REALLY? How is that NOT pure greed?

About the only thing that is going to save this game at this point is an announcement TOMORROW that they realize this was a terrible idea, Aurum is being dropped and everyone who bought any is having their money refunded, and all the cash shop items are going to be seeded in game as blueprints, along with a promise to NEVER do something like this again.

They won't do it. They are too busy spending all that extra money they are never going to get to see what is happening.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun

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Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.

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Ahahahahaha *cough* *cough* ... Oh, you're serious? Get a grip, EVE has no competition in this niche.

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And that is all Eve is, NICHE, TINY, WoD is their BIG REVENUE generator once it is live.

Eve is just to get it started. Once WoD goes live, it is going to bring in much more revenue than Eve ever did, as WoD has a larger potential audience than "niche scifi".

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Originally by: Brujo Loco

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Well now comes the question, how much of this rage and insanity could have been avoided if they simply decided to say in a full public statement to the media and the playerbase this was the direction they were taking? I bet despite some flames and uproar a lot of people would have remained still just to see how the game changed?

Why do they have to hide and naysay everything that makes them "look" bad? I'd rather prefer a games company that purposely blurted out it was doing it for the money than one that stood behind a silk curtain saying it's a company run "by gamers for gamers". Honesty guys, it's not overrated, it's the only real coin of exchange in the PR world of today. They should check the latest trends in company human resources. Honesty, brutal and sheer honesty, in a world where you can surf to a site and see decapitated women, mutilated animals, satanic cultists eating innards of recently deceased corpses, people still pretend the regular userbase of the internet is not prepared to deal with the raw implications of a companies business goal?

After all of this what is beginning to irk me the most is the lack of honesty from CCP. If they WANT their game to turn into a Play to Win or Free 2 play with Pay 2 win model, GOOD FOR THEM, but come out and say it so, before I waste my time here. Who knows, I might even want to stay if they come out and say it in the OPEN.

We are not 13 year old summer**** , we might act or scream or squeal like them, but most of us here are people with enough IQ to understand things if spoken bluntly with the possibility to foresee consequences.

Just come out of the Closet guys, and be free, it will be up to us to decide later how to react.

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Originally by: stoicfaux

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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The only thing that it reveals - to me - is that CCP's focus has shifted from making a game (as small "indie" game companies tend to do) to making money through any possible means.

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No.....ish. Or rather that's not quite fair.

Eve isn't supposed to be just about internet spaceships. Eve is supposed to be an entire universe. CCP has always wanted to expand the vision into the Barbie and FPS niches and beyond, no?

Yes, CCP could have sat on their laurels by staying focused on internet spaceships for quite some time and most of us would have been content. However, if CCP wants to stay true to their vision of Eve encompassing all things scifi, then they need a plan and money.

If you put on your glass-is-half-full monocle, MTs seem to be the way to fund the expansion of EVE into a full-fledged universe instead of just being a niche internet spaceship game.

Expansion requires players. Not everyone who plays internet spaceships will cross over into the Barbie or FPS market and vice versa. Therefore, Eve needs a way to attract new blood into playing Barbie and DUST.

Subs are Barriers. MTs are a risk-free gateway drug.

Subscriptions are nice, but given how many other MMOs are out there, a subscription could be seen as a barrier to entry for new players. People will easily pay a sub fee for big names like SWTOR without hesitation, but for a "no-name" brand like WiS or DUST, a sub fee is too much of a commitment for an unknown.

MTs would allow new players/markets to get their feet wet without the risk of committing. This gives CCP a chance to suck in those tentative players with engaging content.


Long story short, CCP has chosen to grow into something grander and they've picked MTs to finance that growth and as a means to pull in future players from a hyper-competitive MMO market.

So I would say the MTs are less about greed, and more about being competitive and attractive to the future Barbie and DUST market in order to fulfill a vision.


But otherwise, yeah, grognards will always hate change.

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Originally by: Republica Winder

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At this point, CCP is going to need to merge with two other scumbag industry hated publishers with histories of producing crap and screwing customers over to survive.

SOE+Craptic+CCP

The new company will be called:

Sony Craptic Control Productions

SCCP

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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Yeah, let's stay focussed here, and not derail on whether some idiot thinks CCP FANBOI is a real dev.

We're talking about documents revealing some truly disturbing intentions on the part of CCP, in which they announe MT practices for things other than cosmetic changes -- something they promised never to do! I, for one, find this a VERY serious matter.

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Originally by: Miilla

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This is their intentions, not all may be implemented, it depends on the reactions.

They will implement what they can get away with.

That is the game plan.

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste

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Given how they threw out the insane $99 developer license and then backpedaled, as well as other recent changes, that seems to be the entirety of their business plan: "Do the worst thing possible, packpedal until the rage calms down to acceptable levels".

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So, CCP said they were not doing with the $99 dev license for API AFTER they said it was going to be?

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Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor

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I think the staff changes that might happen as a result of this will be telling regarding the direction CCP plans to take with this MT junk. If Soundwave is still in the higher echelons, then we know where they're heading.

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Originally by: Republica Winder

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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste

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Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor

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I think the staff changes that might happen as a result of this will be telling regarding the direction CCP plans to take with this MT junk. If Soundwave is still in the higher echelons, then we know where they're heading.

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I would be surprised if anyone gets fired. This is part of CCP's core goal right now, you would have to remove all of management and reorganize the company completely to purge this.

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If they stick to this no one will get fired. What will happen though is everyone who is against this (and I will repeat, this internal newsletter seems to me to be INTERNAL damage control, an attempt to sell THEIR STAFF on these changes) will LEAVE CCP and seek other jobs.

In other words, CCP is about to lose the bulk of their talent (as SOE did after the NGE). The Devs left will be the ones who thinks the endgame is looting customer wallets, not 0.0 gameplay...

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Originally by: Erichan

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someone mentioned earlier that chribba had posted.. does anyone have a link to that?

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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There's not much she can say; She's in PR/CM. Her primary job is not making the game, it's dealing with the players. There's a huge difference. Really, the apology should not have been posted by her. Not because she's not cut out to respond, but because she doesn't deserve to take the flames.

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Originally by: Vim

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I read that. That is the guy having the all pro transactions arguments. I can take and debate a pro whale hunting opinion if I'am to cause debate and reflection. Without supporting it even slightly. What is the problem with people having a document containing a debate with to blatant arguments like taken from retorics A?

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